How flexible is nomadbase ideologically?

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Recently I spoke with a person who wondered if the Nomadbase project would ultimately be too tied to the values of Casa Robino to appeal much to creators of other nomadic spaces. I thought this concern was worth a forum post.

Will a focus on environmental concerns be a requirement to offer one's space? I enjoy making my own home into a base for nomadic travelers, but I honestly don't share the kind of "change the world" and "sustainability" outlook of Casa Robino. Vegetarianism, for example, is a choice I support mainly because it saves everyone money, not because of any ethical or environmental principles. Ditto for dumpster diving.

I've always appreciated certain Russian nomadic bases for focusing on one very realistic goal: seeing the world for free and helping others to do so. While I admire the communications skills and use of new technology of the folks here, I cannot adopt the social activism part at all, and any base I created myself would be based more on the Free Travel model. Would I and (assuming they ever cared to) the other such hosts be welcome here?

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I was in a Rainbow Gathering

I was in a Rainbow Gathering in Quebec once and got told to go cook the trout I fished in the river at least a 1000 meters from the main kitchen because Vegan people would be so disgusted by the scent of the cooking meat that they wouldn't be able to eat for a while or whatever.

In that situation, I was confronted with excessive intolerance from these ''hippes''. I tend to be very intolerant to intolerance so in all my radicality I built a bridge accross the river to go set a carnivorus camp further on that piece of crown land the family chose for the gathering. Long story short; 3 weeks-long rainstorm broke out, bridge lost, equipment lost, everybody grumpy, mud everywhere.. anyway

Dunno where I was going with that...
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I don't think there should be a definite set of rules about what you can or can't expect from bases and such.
Cuz really, this world has plenty of surprises for you.. any self-respecting nomad would agree that the unpredictability of life is a thrill and a must!!

People living in communes and such are trading more or less of their freedom for material security. They share some of this security with the ''moving people'' in return for help with building, growing, keeping the gears running.

The ''moving people'' often don't have responsibilities or attachment but also lack security (fair compromise!). The least we can do to deserve some of the ''static people'' security, is to put up with their little world. If this is too much to ask we should just dry on the side of the road!

It just seems ungrateful to me to go in some hosts kitchen and complain about MSG in the pantry or CLR under the sink.. keep that for your mother ;)

Maybe I didn't properly get the concept of Nomadbase..
If this is the case, I hope somebody can rectify me :)
don't know anything about CasaRobino either

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where to draw the line?

As a vegan, i obviously like that policy, but it still doesn't make perfect sense.

I guess the real question is what's the line and where do you draw it?
Vegetarian or vegan? How about gluten free? What about peanut allergies and such other common allergies (cats allergies included)?

About the Jewish thing, most jewish people I know who are either quite orthodox or really into the whole kosher thing (and will not compromise) will not eat there anyway. It's enough if meat was cooked or served once in those dishes to make them impure. They will also not consume many of the products on the house if they don't have a kosher stamp on them (which I never checked, but I assume many don't have it).

You can't please everyone.

Edit - this was supposed to be a reply to Robin. I can't seem to move it in the thread or delete it now though.

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Interesting topic to discuss.

I don't think there is much food for concern here though. It has been discussed in Berlin and I haven't heard many people saying to copy the "casarobino" model as a model for any "nomadbase". In fact we have been embracing diversity very much. We have been discussing for example different ways also to make it more explicit on this website what you can expect from a specific base, ie. meat/ no meat. clean/ we don't care, etc.

The only thing that I personally would be pushing for, is that in a nomadbase you don't have to come in as a 'guest', and that you're not treated as one. You come to a shared house.

All the other concerns are very much related to the place where I live and hospitality in general. How can you be hospitable if you allow meat in your kitchen? Or allow smoking (when people are present who don't like smoking)? Can you expect vegans to use that same kitchen? Or Jewish? That's just disrespect. The kitchen in the house where I live is meat-free mostly for that reason.

You will keep on hearing me arguing for these things over and over again (until you get bored with me or kick me out of your base/place) but I won't think it would be very good to enforce such "guidelines". It would simply not be hospitable towards other "bases". Everyone their own autonomy, right?

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ah and you forgot to mention

ah and you forgot to mention the hugs, linux and free software, caring for other people, thinking of others first, not shouting, transcendence, initiative, give love to kitten, accept people who are different, tolerance-is-for-the-weak, stay practical, meditate, only-people-who-know-how-to-cook-are-allowed-in-the-kitchen and whatever I left out here ;)

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Hospitality

I'm invited into homes all the time when I travel, and my hosts are generally not willing to dispense with eating meat or smoking, but I would never suggest they are not hospitable and are "disrepecting" me. Vegetarian and vegan travelers often find that the cultures which don't understand their lifestyle are the very ones which selflessly provide for them on the road.

As for the fairly small portion of Jewish travelers who keep kosher, I've found that they usually don't want to make their dietary rules someone else's problem, so if you are feeling pressure to kosherify space you provide, then I'm afraid that's all your imagination.

But thanks for giving some answer on the permitted range of Nomadbase rules. My next flat will permit smoking, and it's conceivable that meat will be eaten in it at least once per year because of my own religious tenets, but I still hope that I can attract travelers to it through the Nomadbase project.